Gjuroo kaže:


Pa to, sve novine svijeta su prenosile - a stvarno mi nije jasno zašto uvijek prenesu ruske vijesti bez imalo provjere - da će Pokrovsk pasti do Nove Godine i to su pisali na jesen 2024. i mislili su na Novu 2025. Kad ono, Pokrovsk i dalje Rusi ne mogu osvojiti a došla je i Nova 2026.

Nedavo su se svi raspisali o Kupjansku i ista stvar. Ali došao Zelenski u grad, napravio selfie a Rusi slave i dijele si ordenje za osvajanje Kupjanska.

www.reddit.com/r/YUROP/comments/1pn6ryd/...ur_job_but_at_least/

nesto mi se javlja - jel onaj grof Potemkin po kome se zovu neka sela, jel on bese neki rus?

IgorD kaže:


Očigledno nisi igrao šah.
Nađi si nekog profesora da ti objasni šah.
Ali!!!
Moraš paziti da ti objasni ovaj moderni, realni šah..
Za taj šah nemoj uzeti nekog šarlatana, recimo Kasparova (ovaj ti zna samo pomicati figure ali ne kuži ruski šah, zato je i pobjegao iz Rusije), mora biti netko sa zapada ali da kuži ruski šah.

Gospodo, želim svima sretan 9. svibnja (1945.). Naime, ako pobrojimo dane od početka ruske agresije na Ukrajinu, došli smo do 1418. Kad to preslikamo na početak operacije Barbarossa, i dodamo na to 1418, dolazimo do 9. svibnja i kapitulacije Trećeg Reicha. U tom trenutku su trupe SSSR-a bile u Berlinu. Rusija još uvijek pokušava osvojiti Pokrovsk i Kupjansk, ne uspijeva u tome, nego samo maltretira civilni puk Ukrajine.
Katastrofalna procjena vlastite (ne)sposobnosti, još katastrofalnija provedba; protraćene sovjetske zalihe svega koje su ostale nakon kolapsa SSSR-a; crnomorska flota koja je i službeno defacto poražena od vojske koja nema ratnu mornaricu, ratno zrakoplovstvo koje je sad svedeno na slabašnu lansirnu platformu za dalekometne projektile iz dubine vlastitog prostora, jer se ne usudi doći do prve linije i, konačno, pješaštvo koje se mami u vojsku ugovorima, ali koje nitko ne unovči: životni vijek takvih vojnika je 11 dana.
To je, ukratko, slika i prilika ruske vojne sile danas koja o sebi pokušava naslikati dobru sliku i koja vlastitu nesposobnost pokušava zamotati u celofan nedostatka odlučnosti.
Pa onda, sretan 9. svibnja svima koji slave!

Kad si već spomenuo 2. svj. rat, igleda da je Njemačka tada bila neusporedivo moćnija od ove Starcraft Rusije.

Po pitanju organiziranosti nema nema ni m od mjesta za usporedbu.

Ne znam kako itko danas Rusiju može poštivati kao "svjetsku vojnu velesilu" nakon četiri (4) godine vođenja rata do istrebljenja. U suvremenom ratovanju "rat do istrebljenja" ne bi smjela biti prihvatljiva opcija za svjetske vojne velesile.
Kad je u WWII pala Poljska, Francuska se krenula mobilizirati kako bi se oduprla eventualnom napadu Njemačke. Unatoč tome, Pariz je okupiran u mjesec dana ratovanja i bijaše okupiran maltene do kraja WWII. Nazi Germany vs rest of Europe 1:0.

Kada je Rusija pokrenula tzv. specijalnu vojnu operaciju, jasna linija napada bila je prema Kijevu u smislu da se u kratkom vremenu zauzme prijestolnica Ukrajine, da se na taj način sruši Vlada i da se uspostavi proRuski režim na teritoriju cijele Ukrajine.
U inicijalnom napadu je sve izgledalo savršeno dok onaj konvoj prema Kijevu nije zaglibio i "trodnevni rat" se pretvorio u četverogodišnju noćnu moru za obje zaraćene strane.

Kako nakon svega ovoga poštivati Rusiju kao svjetsku vojnu velesilu kad u najbližem komšiluku nije uspjela izvesti ono što je prije par dana Amerika izvela "negdje u drugoj državi"? Plus da se napomene kako Ameri ni u jednom trenutku nisu prijetili nekim državama saveznicima s bilo kakvom upotrebom sile, a kamo li njukama.
Od starta tzv. SVO, Rusija prijeti Europi nekom odmazdom i "crvenim linijama" ako pomažemo Ukrajini da održi svoj suverenitet.
Daj, Putleru, dogovori se sam sa sobom.

Molim da uđe u zapisnik da nisam podržavatelj nazi Njemačke, američkog "širenja demokracije" niti ruskog mrcvarenja bližih ili daljih susjeda i vlastitog naroda.

Gjuroo kaže:


Pozdravljam tvoj upis i bilježim ga u "svoj zapisnik".

Ovo je jedan od temelja pozitivnog i održivog društva - jedan od temeljnih koraka - prepoznati negativne vrijednosti, distancirati se od negativnih vrijednosti, te naredni korak ispravno se postaviti prema njima.

Djuro genijalac kaže:


Ovo su sad novi ratovi. Njezniji, sa puno osjecanja. Ne ratuje se vise ko nekad. Ti sve pobrkao jbg

Bloger Krule progovorio o temi Ukrajine:

www.facebook.com/reel/864613939745226

Eto, ima petlje reći ono što drugi guraju pod tepih ili zapakiraju u celofan.

dpasaric kaže:


Krule ima petlje reći ono što manje-više svi imamo petlje izreći, a to je - vlastito mišljenje.
Po ovom kratkom video uratku ne vidim da je donio išta novo / neobično / revolucionarno u raspravi o Ukrajini.

dpasaric kaže:

bloger krule živi dobro i sere kvake za klikove/lajkove. jako dobro zapažanje od njega. ŠBBKBB - filozofija by krule

+1

I tak.... U 3 dana AFU poništile sva osvajanja Rusa koja su plaćena s cca 100.000 žrtava (na ruskoj strani) u protekla 3 mjeseca i sad napreduju dalje i odbacuju ruske snage natrag. Vidjet ćemo kud će to odvesti.

Tko prati, zna o čemu govorim. IYKYK

Djuro genijalac kaže:


Samo da Elon ne uključi Starlink ponovo ili da se Putin ne predomisli oko Telegrama.

Rusi se raznjezili previse. Spucale ih emocije prema Ukrajini pa se malo opustili na bojnom polju. Emotivna vojska jbg

Djuro genijalac kaže:


ali ovo nije po starcraft scenariju, ili je mozda neka skrivena strategija ili novija verzija?

Prošlo mi je glavom pitanje - što bi Putin radio da je Rusa kao Kineza ili Indijaca?
Kakva biti tek onda bila klaonica?!?

Air kaže:


Znajući Putlera, u ovakvom načinu ratovanja (do istrebljenja), bio bi maksimalno nježan prema neprijatelju, ali svoje trupe ne bi štedio.
Ne znam koliki je sad omjer žrtava, ali Putler bi to povisio barem na x10 da ima više ljudi na raspolaganju.

Gjuroo kaže:


Službeni britanski obajveštajni podaci sad barataju nevjerojatnim omjerom 27:1 u korist Rusa. Na svakog Ukrajinca dođe 27 stradalih Rusa.

27:1

Let that sink in.

Ne bih ja tome slijepo vjerovao. Gubici su strasni na obje strane.

Mislim da su Ukrajinci samo vrijedniji u dokumentiranju ruskih gubitaka, dok se Rusi malo manje zamaraju oko toga.

Davno je taj rat dosao u stadij da se pojedinacni vojnici gadjaju dronom, dok drugi drone to snima kao dokaz.

I onda obitelj nadje snimak na YouTube kako je covjek poginuo.

Ovakva medijska pokrivenost je nezapamcena u povijesti modernog ratovanja...

Djuro genijalac kaže:


Malo mi to zvuči too much, ali i 1:10 bi već bio jako velik omjer.

Danas je točno 4 godine otkako je Rusija napala Ukrajinu. Ruska agresija nije uspjela niti u jednom svojem naumu do današanjeg dana. Trenutno stanje na bojištu je da je Ukrajina otkako je Starlink isključen u Rusiji vratila preko 400 kvadratnih kilometara okupiranog teritorija i ta operacija traje i dalje. Neću sad dalje nabrajati što se događa, nego ću podsjetiti na ključnu bitku Rata za Ukrajinu: Bitku za zračnu luku Hostomel. To je bila ključna točka 'trodnevne vojne operacije' i na njoj su ruske snage polomile zube i izgubile rat. Sve ostalo je samo odgađanje neizbježnog poraza Rusije.
Prenosim priču skrpanu s nekoliko strana:

The first and most important battle of the war in Ukraine.
A tale of extreme heroism from Ukrainian forces and a cunning Russian air assault plan that nearly ended the war before it started.
(Look below for the timeline of events)



Just minutes after President Putin declared the start of his renewed invasion Russian forces sent 2 3M54 Calibre Cruise missiles to target the national guard 4th rapid reaction brigade military base right next to Hostomel airport both hitting the then empty parade square.



In reaction to the strike 200 Ukrainian conscripts from the 4th brigade moved out from the base and set up defensive positions in small groups around the airport only armed with small arms and soviet era anti air and tank missiles.
They are later reinforced by units from the 1st operational brigade and from the OMEGA anti terrorist units who are all similarly armed.
There was a huge shortage of men as many professional soldiers had been sent to other directions, so now the defence of this hugely strategic location was left to less then a brigade sized element who were not able to cover the whole perimeter so had to move in small groups and spread out.



At the same time 170km from Hostomel airport a large Russian air assault grouping including 34 helicopters carrying elite Russian VDV special forces is waiting to take off from Bolshoy Bokov Airfield.
This grouping included majority MI-8 transport helicopters 10 KA-52 combat helicopters and several MI-24 and 28 assault helicopters.
Their target is Hostomel airport one that proved to be fatal.



The First wave of Russian Helicopters takes off and heads south along the Dnipro river entering Ukrainian territory flying low towards the Kyiv Hydro electric power plant where they famously take a sharp turn to head toward Hostomel.
They are engaged by multiple Ukrainian anti air units along the Dnipro river as they attempt to turn with one Russian KA-52 and one MI-28 attack helicopters both being shot down in turn the rest of the helicopters deploying their flares accordingly.



The Russians then split their air assault grouping into Group A and Group B as they are heading west towards Hostomel.
Group A mainly made up of attack helicopters heads north of the Airport to inspect and destroy any elements of Ukrainian forces blocking the runway.
Whilst Group B mainly made up of Mi-8 transport helicopters heads south of the airport to cut off the national guards base of operations.



Once the Attack helicopters reach the airport they start to pummel Ukrainian positions with missiles and large calibre weapons.
However instead of being met with unprepared resistance they are met with defenders who are well positioned who start to return fire with deadly effects.



Ukrainian defenders armed with manpads as the assault intensifies manage to down 4 Russian KA-52 and 1 MI-28 attack helicopters who are performing strafing attack runs along the runway one of these aircraft lands directly in the middle of the runway.
In turn Russian MI-8 transport aircraft arrive but are unable to land due to taking heavy small arms fire from many directions so instead have to circle around surrounding villages which is where many videos were taken.

Nastavljam ovdje, jer mogu ubaciti samo 8 slika u post, a šteta je ne objaviti sve

The fight continues for another hour with Russian MI-8s unable to land.
Ukrainian units then retreat back to the 4th rapid response base as they are running out of ammunition.
This then allows the Russian VDV troops in the MI-8 helicopters to land on the north western side of the airport where they deploy all of their paratroopers.
The Russians also land on the north west of the airport with another landing force in an effort to surround the base, the initial wave was around 100 soldiers from the 31st guards and 18th separate guards air assault brigades of the Russian army they were heavily armed with portable mortars and grenade launchers.
They manage to secure the main runway, along with several administrative buildings but they do not advance straight away as they are waiting for reinforcements.



Russian air assault units pause for around an hour surrounding the Ukrainian base as more reinforcements arrive to Hostomel in the second wave of MI-8s who land an additional 200 paratroopers allowing them to continue their advance around the airport.
They move cautiously and clear the surrounding area the control tower and buildings around are captured quickly.
The first on the ground contact between Ukrainian and Russian forces happens along the cross roads between the airport and the base where a fierce battle rages for 2 hours.



After a prolonged battle Ukrainian forces are forced to withdraw as they have ran out of ammunition they swiftly moved south east of the base and disappear into surrounding forest areas.
The Russians move in and capture the base meaning at this time the airport has fallen into their control.
They raise their flag above the airport and start setting up defensive positions to defend the runway.
This is because they are seeking to land an additional brigade sized element of Russian paratroopers and light armoured vehicles carried by 18 Ilyushin Il-76 large transport aircraft who take off from Russia almost immediately.
However little to they realise their assault has taken to long and reinforcing heavy Ukrainian units will soon arrive.
If the Russians had been able to land this force on the airbase it would have been catastrophic for the Ukrainian defence of Kyiv as such a large force would have been hard to stop.



Whilst the Russian paratroopers try to chase away the 4th rapid reaction conscript groupings.
Heavy Ukrainian 72nd Mechanised Brigade arrives north east of the airport with tanks and heavy artillery after an hour Long drive from its base in Bila Teservka surrounding that side of the airport.
To the west of the airport the Ukrainian 80th and 95th air assault brigades also arrive on their own MI-8 transport aircraft effectively surrounding the Russians in the airport.
These Ukrainian reinforcements then begin to set up heavy artillery and mortar positions to pound Russian vdv in the area of the airport.
The fighting has a brief pause as Russian paratroopers under strict orders to not leave the airport in wait for their large reinforcements to arrive, this gives the Ukrainians enough time to plan and execute their own counterattack at 3:30 pm the airport is completely surrounded and the order is given to liberate it.



Ukrainian Counterattack:
Ukrainian heavy artillery starts along with SU-24 bombers from the airforce start to heavily hit the airport especially the runway rendering it useless, as Ukrainian command has intelligence of the large reinforcements landing which is to come.
Ukrainian land forces with support form armoured vehicles and close air support from Mi-28 gunships start to advance into the airport from several directions, heavy fighting ensues.
As the fighting intensifies Vdv units take heavy losses and are forced to desert their positions now themselves running into surrounding forest areas, building by building is cleared of Russian elite paratroopers.
By 9PM all resistance in the airport area has been removed, Russian large air transports heading towards the airport with a brigade of air assault troops are called off and are forced to land in Belarus.



Despite the heroic counterattack made by Ukrainian forces, Russian reinforcements arrive to Hostomel surprisingly the next day this time from the north as several battalion tactical groups had advanced south from the Belarusian border through the Chernobyl exclusion zone.
On the 25th of February the fight for Hostomel town begins and by March 5th the whole town is under control of Russian forces.
As Ukrainian forces had to withdraw being severely outnumbered and outgunned by several battalion tactical groups.
After the Ukrainians retreat from the airport they begin another massive artillery bombardment of the runway rendering it completely useless for any air landing operations in the future, whilst also causing massive losses to Russian brigades who had set up base in the area.
Ukrainian forces continued to counterattack in the area in particular having success on march 16th, despite this Russians held the airport and the town until their full withdrawal from the north of Ukraine on April 1st.



To conclude the Battle Of Hostomel airport became one of the most important battles of the war.
Stopping Russian forces landing a large force so close to the capital city, enabled Ukrainian defenders to organise and mobilise quick enough to hold off the large land advance to come.

O ovome treba film snimiti. Siguran sam da će se to i dogoditi.

@Đuro.


Neki govore da je Flamengo isti ko Tomahawk, samo jeftiniji? A govore još da su Ukrainci polupali tvornicu raketa u Rusiji? Šta ti misliš?

Jeftiniji je sigurno. Ne mogu komentirati sposobnosti, sumnjam da je bolji od tomahawka, ali je očito dovoljno dobar da zabrine Ruse. Kad bi ih uspjeli napraviti 150 komada da mogu saturirati cilj koji su odabrali, onda im tomahawk uopće ne bi trebao.

Roknuli su tvornicu sigurno, satelit je potvrdio da je hala pogođena i polupana. Jedan je pogodak. Navodno je ispaljeno 5-6 flaminga, jedan se probio. Dakle, da ih na cilj dođe desetak komada, onda bi tek bilo belaja...

Da li se zna zašto je isključen Starlink u Rusiji?

Air kaže:

Putler očigledno stisnuo dobrotvora a on zauzvrat rekao e čekaj malo braco, saćeš ti vidit oš li objavit nešto protiv mene... i samo stisnuo filter na disable i etomugasad.

Ja bih prije rekao da netko nešto nije platio. Sad - tko kome i koliko? - možda nikad ni ne doznamo.

Air kaže:


Službeno Starlink nije nikad bio dostupan u Rusiji. Ruske snage su nabavljale ilegalno terminale sa tržišta u kojima je usluga dostupna i onda ih koristili za što su ih već koristili (koordinacija vojnih snaga na teritoriju Ukrajine).
Kad je Ukrajina ustoličila novog ministra obrane Mihajla Fedorova (koji ima zaleđe u IT industriji) on je prijavio Musku da ruske snage ilegalno koriste njegovu uslugu. To je onda dovelo do isključivanaj svih terminala na tom teritoriju osim onih za koje se moglo službeno dokazati podrijetlo, ergo ostala je aktivna ukrajinska strana za koju se NORMALNO plaća usluga (mislim da Poljska iz proračuna plaća uslugu za te terminale).
Tako da, Emil je u pravu, Rusi nisu plaćali svoje korištenje Starlinka i zato je to njima isključeno.

Znači samo 4 godine im je trebalo da to isključe. Kao da se za to nije znalo prije. A ukrajincima su isključivali starlinkove na onim morskim dronovima i sl. To je bilo ekspresno rješavano. :/