Repairing Disk Permissions na El Capitan i Sierra
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Repairing Disk Permissions na El Capitan i Sierra


09.01.2017 | 20:51
Kako uraditi Repairing Disk Permissions,samo opcija preko terminala ili ima jos neka varijanta.
09.01.2017 | 21:11
Nema. Ali nema ni potrebe baš. Zašto pitaš?
09.01.2017 | 21:56
Imam jedan air ali mu ne mogu nista,vrti mi na 6500rp-a,temperature skoro normalne sve osmi ssd-a 50 stepeni.Kreirao novog usera ali isto.Da problem bude veci mogu ga upaliti samo kada iskljucim bateriju,pa drzim power 10-tak skundi.Onda mi radi 2-3 gasenja ili restarta i onda opet nista bez cupanja baterije.Uzasno je spor za svoje specifikacije.El capitan je na njemu
09.01.2017 | 22:26
Onyx
09.01.2017 | 22:34
To je problem sa senzorima ili baterijom. Ako isključiš bateriju i priključiš MagSafe dali se mac pali i kako radi? Koji je model u pitanju? I obavezno pronaći ASD za taj model i vidjeti što kaže, ako ne ASD makar AHT.
09.01.2017 | 22:40
Onyx nije malware kao MacKeeper, ali je jako zajeban alat za površno upućene. BIlo je više slučajeva da je napravio više štete, nego koristi. Ali vjeruem da Saint nije takav korisnik. Jedino ne kužim zašto je ovo bolja opcija od terminala?
U svakom slučaju, problem nije nešto što zvuči kao da ima veze s pokvarenim dozvolama pristupa na neke datoteke. Ja bi se kladio da je neispravan SSD.
09.01.2017 | 22:42
Radi i bez baterije i sa baterijom,radi identicno i sa i bez.Nekako mi je spor i ljigav.Moram probati AHT sa i bez baterije
09.01.2017 | 22:44
Ok, ako se ponaša isto sa baterijom i bez nje onda vjerovatno imaš problem senzora na matičnoj, a AHT bi ti trebao točno reći koji. Neznam ako SSD odumire da se ventilacija pojačava na maksimum, možda je i to moguće. Isto tako problem može biti i sam SMC, jesi radio SMC reset?
09.01.2017 | 23:25
U pravu si AHT je izbacio ( da ne pisem evo slika)
Prilozi:
09.01.2017 | 23:53
AHT daje samo povrsnu dijagnozu i u pravilu nije nikakvo mjerilo, ali eto makar znas da imas hardverski kvar. Bilo bi idealno da skines ASD 3S156 (ako je to po serijskom broju MacbookAir6,2 Mid-2013) jer on ti moze reci puno vise. Kakva je povijest uređaja? Dali je zaliven tekućinom ili je prethodno bio popravljan?
11.01.2017 | 15:46
AHT je izbacio grešku jer si testirao bez baterije ili adaptera, da bi napravio ispravno testiranje mac mora biti prikljućen na stuju sa baterijom naravno
11.01.2017 | 16:46
Naravno da sam testirao na adapteru i sa baterijom
15.01.2017 | 12:03
Mali UP sa puno problema,ne mogu da vjerujem da je sve otislo. Evo rezultata ASD-a samo SMC

01/15/17 01:57:19] * TESTING STARTED *
[01/15/17 01:57:19] Battery (test #32) - Check Error Condition
- Checks to see if the Battery is reporting an Error Condition.
[01:57:20] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:57:20] Battery (test #51) - ATV Table Test
- Checks to see if the Battery is using the programmed ATV Table.
[01:57:20] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:57:21] SMC: 0x0 (test #1) - SMC Critical Sensor Check Test
- Checks if the SMC reports any errors on critical sensors.
[01:57:21] ERROR -- 1 [The SMC reports an error on one or more critical sensors.] -- TEST FAILED
[01/15/17 01:57:21] SMC: 0x0 (test #7) - SMC EPM Flash Check Test
- Check to ensure that UV and CV EPM blocks are programmed.
[01:57:21] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:57:21] SMC: 0x0 (test #8) - SMC Power Balancing check
- Check to ensure that Power Balancing is enabled.
[01:57:22] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:57:22] SMC: 0x0 (test #9) - SMC App Code mode check
- Check to ensure that SMC in App code mode.
[01:57:22] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:57:22] SMC: 0x0 (test #17) - Sensor Alert TC0P
- This test verifies that the TCOP hardware alert signals to the SMC
[01:57:25] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:57:25] Multitouch Track Pad: Multitouch Trackpad Open Test (test #8) - Multitouch Trackpad Open Test
- Detects potential digital opens by reading unbaseline raw data and making sure no consecutive high readings.
[01:57:27] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:57:27] Current (IC0R) -- Chipset 0 INA Highside (test #1) - Sensor Reads Within Operating Range
- Check to ensure that sensor reads within operating range.
[01:57:28] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:57:28] Current (ID0R) -- DC In (test #1) - Sensor Reads Within Operating Range
- Check to ensure that sensor reads within operating range.
[01:57:28] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:57:29] Current (IM3C) -- DDR S3 (test #1) - Sensor Reads Within Operating Range
- Check to ensure that sensor reads within operating range.
[01:57:29] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:57:29] Current (IPB1) -- Discrete Battery (test #1) - Sensor Reads Within Operating Range
- Check to ensure that sensor reads within operating range.
[01:57:29] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:57:30] Current (IPBR) -- Charger BMON (Prod) (test #1) - Sensor Reads Within Operating Range
- Check to ensure that sensor reads within operating range.
[01:57:30] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:57:30] Current (ISDC) -- SSD (test #1) - Sensor Reads Within Operating Range
- Check to ensure that sensor reads within operating range.
[01:57:30] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:57:30] Current (PB1R) -- Discrete BMON on Battery Power (test #1) - Sensor Reads Within Operating Range
- Check to ensure that sensor reads within operating range.
[01:57:31] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:57:31] Power (PC0R) -- CPU Computing High Side (test #1) - Sensor Reads Within Operating Range
- Check to ensure that sensor reads within operating range.
[01:57:31] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:57:31] Power (PDTR) -- AC/DC Output (test #1) - Sensor Reads Within Operating Range
- Check to ensure that sensor reads within operating range.
[01:57:31] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:57:31] Power (PM3C) -- DDR S3 Power (test #1) - Sensor Reads Within Operating Range
- Check to ensure that sensor reads within operating range.
[01:57:32] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:57:32] Power (PPBR) -- PBus on Battery Power (test #1) - Sensor Reads Within Operating Range
- Check to ensure that sensor reads within operating range.
[01:57:32] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:57:32] Power (PSDC) -- SSD Power (test #1) - Sensor Reads Within Operating Range
- Check to ensure that sensor reads within operating range.
[01:57:32] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:57:32] Temperature (TB0T) -- Battery Thermal Diode 0 (test #1) - Sensor Reads Within Operating Range
- Check to ensure that sensor reads within operating range.
[01:57:33] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:57:33] Temperature (TB1T) -- Battery Thermal Diode 1 (test #1) - Sensor Reads Within Operating Range
- Check to ensure that sensor reads within operating range.
[01:57:33] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:57:33] Temperature (TB2T) -- Battery Thermal Diode 2 (test #1) - Sensor Reads Within Operating Range
- Check to ensure that sensor reads within operating range.
[01:57:34] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:57:34] Temperature (TC0P) -- CPU Proximity (test #1) - Sensor Reads Within Operating Range
- Check to ensure that sensor reads within operating range.
[01:57:34] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:57:34] Temperature (TCHP) -- Charger Proximity (test #1) - Sensor Reads Within Operating Range
- Check to ensure that sensor reads within operating range.
[01:57:34] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:57:35] Temperature (TCXC) -- CPU Core PECI (test #1) - Sensor Reads Within Operating Range
- Check to ensure that sensor reads within operating range.
[01:57:35] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:57:35] Temperature (THSP) -- Thunderbolt Proximity (test #1) - Sensor Reads Within Operating Range
- Check to ensure that sensor reads within operating range.
[01:57:36] ERROR -- 1 [Unable to read sensor] -- TEST FAILED
[01/15/17 01:57:36] Temperature (TM0P) -- MLB Top Side (test #1) - Sensor Reads Within Operating Range
- Check to ensure that sensor reads within operating range.
[01:57:36] ERROR -- 1 [Unable to read sensor] -- TEST FAILED
[01/15/17 01:57:36] Temperature (TS2P) -- S2 Camera Proximity (test #1) - Sensor Reads Within Operating Range
- Check to ensure that sensor reads within operating range.
[01:57:36] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:57:36] Temperature (TW0P) -- AirPort Proximity (test #1) - Sensor Reads Within Operating Range
- Check to ensure that sensor reads within operating range.
[01:57:37] ERROR -- 1 [Unable to read sensor] -- TEST FAILED
[01/15/17 01:57:37] Temperature (Ta0P) -- Input Air Flow (test #1) - Sensor Reads Within Operating Range
- Check to ensure that sensor reads within operating range.
[01:57:37] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:57:37] Temperature (Th1H) -- Fin Stack (test #1) - Sensor Reads Within Operating Range
- Check to ensure that sensor reads within operating range.
[01:57:38] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:57:38] Temperature (Tm0P) -- Memory Proximity (test #1) - Sensor Reads Within Operating Range
- Check to ensure that sensor reads within operating range.
[01:57:38] ERROR -- 1 [Unable to read sensor] -- TEST FAILED
[01/15/17 01:57:38] Temperature (Ts0P) -- Trackpad Skin (test #1) - Sensor Reads Within Operating Range
- Check to ensure that sensor reads within operating range.
[01:57:38] ERROR -- 1 [Unable to read sensor] -- TEST FAILED
[01/15/17 01:57:39] Voltage (VC1C) -- 1.05 S0 (test #1) - Sensor Reads Within Operating Range
- Check to ensure that sensor reads within operating range.
[01:57:39] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:57:39] Voltage (VCS0) -- CPU Core (test #1) - Sensor Reads Within Operating Range
- Check to ensure that sensor reads within operating range.
[01:57:39] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:57:39] Voltage (VP0R) -- PBus (test #1) - Sensor Reads Within Operating Range
- Check to ensure that sensor reads within operating range.
[01:57:40] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:57:40] Temperature (TC0P) -- CPU Proximity (test #11) - Extended Sensor Flat Line Test
- Checks that the Sensor changes value i.e. not stuck, with longer time allowance for change (5 mins).
[01:57:43] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:57:43] Temperature (TCHP) -- Charger Proximity (test #11) - Extended Sensor Flat Line Test
- Checks that the Sensor changes value i.e. not stuck, with longer time allowance for change (5 mins).
[01:57:46] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:57:46] Temperature (TCXC) -- CPU Core PECI (test #11) - Extended Sensor Flat Line Test
- Checks that the Sensor changes value i.e. not stuck, with longer time allowance for change (5 mins).
[01:57:51] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:57:51] Temperature (THSP) -- Thunderbolt Proximity (test #11) - Extended Sensor Flat Line Test
- Checks that the Sensor changes value i.e. not stuck, with longer time allowance for change (5 mins).
[01:57:51] ERROR - -13005 [The SMC can not read this sensor] -- TEST FAILED
[01/15/17 01:57:51] Temperature (TM0P) -- MLB Top Side (test #11) - Extended Sensor Flat Line Test
- Checks that the Sensor changes value i.e. not stuck, with longer time allowance for change (5 mins).
[01:57:52] ERROR - -13005 [The SMC can not read this sensor] -- TEST FAILED
[01/15/17 01:57:52] Temperature (TS2P) -- S2 Camera Proximity (test #11) - Extended Sensor Flat Line Test
- Checks that the Sensor changes value i.e. not stuck, with longer time allowance for change (5 mins).
[01:57:57] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:57:57] Temperature (TW0P) -- AirPort Proximity (test #11) - Extended Sensor Flat Line Test
- Checks that the Sensor changes value i.e. not stuck, with longer time allowance for change (5 mins).
[01:57:57] ERROR - -13005 [The SMC can not read this sensor] -- TEST FAILED
[01/15/17 01:57:57] Temperature (Ta0P) -- Input Air Flow (test #11) - Extended Sensor Flat Line Test
- Checks that the Sensor changes value i.e. not stuck, with longer time allowance for change (5 mins).
[01:58:02] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:58:02] Temperature (Th1H) -- Fin Stack (test #11) - Extended Sensor Flat Line Test
- Checks that the Sensor changes value i.e. not stuck, with longer time allowance for change (5 mins).
[01:58:18] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:58:18] Temperature (Tm0P) -- Memory Proximity (test #11) - Extended Sensor Flat Line Test
- Checks that the Sensor changes value i.e. not stuck, with longer time allowance for change (5 mins).
[01:58:19] ERROR - -13005 [The SMC can not read this sensor] -- TEST FAILED
[01/15/17 01:58:19] Thermal Interface: Processor:Processor0 (test #35) - TIM Test 0 Percent Guard Band
- Check that CPU heatsink is properly attached, using product spec theta dh +0 percent guard band.
[01:58:25] ERROR -- 8 [Plimit not as expected.] -- TEST FAILED
[01/15/17 01:58:25] Thermal Interface: Processor:Processor0 (test #36) - Extended TIM Test 0 Percent Guard Band
- Check that CPU heatsink is properly attached, using product spec theta dh +0 percent guard band.
[01:58:30] ERROR -- 8 [Plimit not as expected.] -- TEST FAILED
[01/15/17 01:58:30] Processor: 0 (test #1) - Whetstone Test
- Concurrent whetstone floating point unit benchmark test
[01:59:05] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:59:05] Processor: 0 (test #2) - Dhrystone Test
- Concurrent dhrystone integer unit benchmark test
[01:59:37] Test Passed
[01/15/17 01:59:37] Processor: 0 (test #3) - Linpack Test
- Concurrent linpack floating point benchmark test
[02:00:12] Test Passed
[01/15/17 02:00:12] Processor: 0 (test #5) - Encoder Test
- Uses MPEG2 encoder optimized for Intel processor to encode a short video clip twice, and verifies the two results are identical
[02:01:58] Test Passed
[01/15/17 02:01:58] Processor: 0 (test #22) - Validate Smt Mode
- Validates Smt Mode for Nehalem Processors
[02:02:00] Test Passed
[01/15/17 02:02:00] Processor: 0 (test #27) - VT-d Verification Test
- Verifies that VT-d are available on the processor
[02:02:01] Test Passed
[01/15/17 02:02:01] * 12 TEST(S) FAILED * [Elapsed time = 00:04:41]


A radi ko bi rekao

Kasnije bacim i EFI test
15.01.2017 | 16:08
EFI test uopce nije potreban. Tvoj problem je SMC koji treba zamjeniti.
15.01.2017 | 17:51
Nije ga problem zamjenjiti vec naci isprogramiran
15.01.2017 | 18:20
SMC se ne kupuje nov jer od toga nema nikakve koristi. Trazis SMC koji je skinut s maticne ploce i molis Boga da radi. Za prvu ruku si mogao jednostavno napraviti reball SMC-a kojeg imas.
23.01.2017 | 13:07
opet up

mali je malo lud

Last login: Mon Jan 23 12:50:59 on console
Aldins-MacBook-Air:~ saint$ sudo thermal levels
Password:
cpu: 255
gpu: 0
io: 50
Aldins-MacBook-Air:~ saint$ sudo powermetrics
Machine model: MacBookAir6,2
SMC version: 2.13f15
EFI version: MBA61.0099.B23
OS version: 16C68
Boot arguments:
Boot time: Mon Jan 23 12:50:23 2017



*** Sampled system activity (Mon Jan 23 12:52:35 2017 +0100) (5051.97ms elapsed) ***

*** Running tasks ***

Name ID CPU ms/s User% Deadlines (<2 ms, 2-5 ms) Wakeups (Intr, Pkg idle)
kernel_task 0 2397.30 0.00 1.39 0.59 127.28 49.29
assistantd 376 95.46 60.86 0.00 0.00 12.87 8.31
sharingd 351 43.47 62.71 0.00 0.00 5.54 3.76
CalendarAgent 365 30.38 54.66 0.00 0.00 1.58 0.79
mds 70 72.69 59.42 0.00 0.00 24.74 8.31
securityd 93 10.92 71.74 0.20 1.58 2.18 0.00
CalNCService 372 8.28 88.07 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
mds_stores 179 42.44 79.16 0.00 0.00 3.96 2.77
Terminal 425 6.00 88.28 0.00 0.00 1.58 0.59
com.apple.iTunesLibraryService 466 8.92 73.84 0.00 0.00 1.98 0.79
mDNSResponder 174 4.74 26.45 0.00 0.00 0.99 0.20
trustd 309 4.30 88.60 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.00
captiveagent 243 4.02 20.47 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.00
WindowServer 173 1.32 50.09 0.00 0.00 0.59 0.20
powermetrics 468 3.34 31.37 0.00 0.00 0.20 0.20
locationd 238 3.74 22.75 0.00 0.00 1.19 0.00
launchd 1 2.57 44.95 0.00 0.00 0.99 0.20
accountsd 335 4.91 82.99 0.00 0.00 0.59 0.20
opendirectoryd 86 2.76 69.09 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
UserEventAgent 297 2.25 60.53 0.00 0.00 0.99 0.00
fseventsd 51 2.22 38.69 0.00 0.00 5.94 0.00
nsurlsessiond 191 2.60 30.74 0.00 0.00 1.19 0.40
secd 308 1.78 74.23 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.00
ContactsAccountsService 363 3.02 66.48 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.20
displaypolicyd 98 2.27 18.05 0.00 0.00 4.95 1.78
appleeventsd 56 2.70 23.18 0.00 0.00 0.99 0.59
com.apple.audio.DriverHelper 211 2.85 22.52 0.00 0.00 0.99 0.00
coreservicesd 139 1.43 82.05 0.00 0.00 0.20 0.00
notifyd 110 1.35 24.38 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.20
apsd 89 1.09 55.18 0.00 0.00 0.79 0.40
UserEventAgent 47 0.95 37.61 0.00 0.00 3.76 0.79
trustd 146 1.02 55.22 0.00 0.00 0.59 0.20
cfprefsd 301 1.72 48.13 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.00
launchservicesd 91 1.08 65.23 0.00 0.00 1.39 0.20
mdworker 440 40.19 69.02 0.00 0.00 18.01 4.35
com.apple.geod 364 1.43 64.29 0.00 0.00 1.78 0.59
usernoted 342 0.75 52.64 0.00 0.00 0.79 0.40
IMRemoteURLConnectionAgent 422 0.75 55.89 0.00 0.00 0.79 0.20
Spotlight 315 0.77 56.91 0.00 0.00 0.20 0.00
ionodecache 84 0.76 29.52 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
CoreLocationAgent 421 0.69 50.23 0.00 0.00 0.79 0.20
SystemUIServer 305 0.70 48.36 0.00 0.00 0.79 0.00
tccd 353 1.29 54.72 0.00 0.00 0.79 0.00
diskarbitrationd 78 0.63 69.27 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
DuetHeuristic-BM 97 0.62 78.71 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
akd 410 0.89 54.99 0.00 0.00 1.98 0.59
com.apple.CodeSigningHelper 208 1.11 51.37 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
Finder 306 0.46 17.59 0.00 0.00 1.39 0.59
CommCenter 302 0.51 57.22 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.20
syslogd 46 0.61 48.94 0.00 0.00 0.20 0.20
imagent 354 0.55 54.22 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.00
mdworker 458 0.87 56.98 0.00 0.00 1.19 0.59
kextd 50 0.54 54.62 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.00
AppleIDAuthAgent 388 0.99 58.05 0.00 0.00 0.99 0.00
passd 398 0.92 64.99 0.00 0.00 0.99 0.00
com.apple.iCloudHelper 413 0.67 49.51 0.00 0.00 1.39 0.59
logd 63 0.44 65.66 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
storeaccountd 367 0.81 59.70 0.00 0.00 1.19 0.00
IMDPersistenceAgent 359 0.66 53.17 0.00 0.00 0.79 0.20
powerd 58 0.34 54.26 0.00 0.00 0.20 0.20
com.apple.geod 289 0.69 59.03 0.00 0.00 0.79 0.00
secinitd 219 0.69 55.95 0.00 0.00 0.79 0.00
secinitd 336 0.60 51.15 0.00 0.00 0.99 0.20
parsecd 360 0.67 57.35 0.00 0.00 1.19 0.00
nsurlsessiond 368 0.66 54.20 0.00 0.00 0.99 0.00
authd 142 0.61 49.66 0.00 0.00 1.19 0.00
WiFiProxy 375 0.59 52.68 0.00 0.00 0.99 0.00
sharedfilelistd 343 0.59 55.40 0.00 0.00 0.79 0.00
syncdefaultsd 348 0.57 53.67 0.00 0.00 0.79 0.00
secinitd 290 0.57 49.86 0.00 0.00 0.79 0.00
identityservicesd 349 0.22 33.12 0.00 0.00 0.59 0.40
sharedfilelistd 272 0.56 59.27 0.00 0.00 0.79 0.00
talagent 304 0.18 25.89 0.00 0.00 0.59 0.40
distnoted 299 0.20 35.55 0.00 0.00 0.59 0.20
uninstalld 49 0.14 24.34 0.00 0.00 0.20 0.20
Siri 385 0.16 55.04 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
fmfd 411 0.24 22.29 0.00 0.00 1.19 0.20
com.apple.AmbientDisplayAgent 182 0.16 35.05 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
awdd 177 0.07 7.50 0.00 0.00 0.99 0.59
distnoted 111 0.07 14.56 0.00 0.00 0.59 0.40
lsd 176 0.05 13.72 0.00 0.00 0.59 0.59
hidd 108 0.10 20.48 0.00 0.00 0.79 0.20
airportd 67 0.14 34.87 0.00 0.00 0.99 0.20
cloudd 412 0.15 40.94 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.20
watchdogd 232 0.11 40.68 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.00
cfprefsd 117 0.20 52.64 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.00
distnoted 465 0.09 19.07 0.00 0.00 0.99 0.20
soagent 362 0.04 14.31 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.40
callservicesd 344 0.11 13.13 0.00 0.00 1.19 0.20
CVMServer 185 0.06 26.79 0.00 0.00 0.20 0.20
mDNSResponderHelper 175 0.07 36.58 0.00 0.00 0.99 0.00
deleted 317 0.13 15.59 0.00 0.00 1.39 0.00
ntpd 192 0.07 36.21 0.00 0.00 0.59 0.00
loginwindow 104 0.07 49.67 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
mdworker 462 0.81 62.49 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.00
mdworker 460 0.04 16.88 0.00 0.00 0.59 0.20
mdworker 459 0.10 15.31 0.00 0.00 0.99 0.20
Dock 303 0.02 11.73 0.00 0.00 0.20 0.20
com.apple.dock.extra 347 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.20 0.20
symptomsd 224 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.20 0.20
cloudphotosd 324 0.08 45.19 0.00 0.00 0.59 0.00
WiFiVelocityAgent 415 0.07 15.84 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.00
geodMachServiceBridge 327 0.06 23.62 0.00 0.00 0.59 0.00
mdworker 463 0.05 25.43 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.00
lsd 307 0.04 16.87 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.00
mdworker 461 0.04 24.64 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.00
nsurlstoraged 361 0.03 8.15 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.00
NotificationCenter 383 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.20 0.00
mdflagwriter 453 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.20 0.00
ALL_TASKS -2 2845.77 9.74 1.58 2.18 276.13 95.01


**** Battery and backlight usage ****

Backlight level: 905 (range 0-1024)
Keyboard Backlight level: 0


**** Network activity ****

out: 0.79 packets/s, 171.81 bytes/s
in: 0.99 packets/s, 341.25 bytes/s


**** Disk activity ****

read: 22.96 ops/s 335.66 KBytes/s
write: 3.56 ops/s 72.97 KBytes/s

**** Interrupt distribution ****

CPU 0:
Vector 0x46(SMC): 2.77 interrupts/sec
Vector 0x72(IGPU): 33.45 interrupts/sec
Vector 0x78(ARPT): 2.38 interrupts/sec
Vector 0x7e(SSD0): 25.73 interrupts/sec
Vector 0xdd(TMR): 270.19 interrupts/sec
Vector 0xde(IPI): 313.94 interrupts/sec
CPU 1:
Vector 0xdd(TMR): 176.56 interrupts/sec
Vector 0xde(IPI): 265.84 interrupts/sec
CPU 2:
Vector 0xdd(TMR): 214.77 interrupts/sec
Vector 0xde(IPI): 325.22 interrupts/sec
CPU 3:
Vector 0xdd(TMR): 175.77 interrupts/sec
Vector 0xde(IPI): 232.98 interrupts/sec



**** Processor usage ****

Intel energy model derived package power (CPUs+GT+SA): 1.64W

LLC flushed residency: 80%

System Average frequency as fraction of nominal: 61.54% (800.02 Mhz)
Package 0 C-state residency: 80.92% (C2: 29.04% C3: 4.05% C6: 0.00% C7: 47.83% C8: 0.00% C9: 0.00% C10: 0.00% )

Core 0 C-state residency: 83.19% (C3: 0.02% C6: 0.00% C7: 83.18% )

CPU 0 duty cycles/s: active/idle [< 16 us: 13.26/12.27] [< 32 us: 3.37/11.68] [< 64 us: 11.28/16.03] [< 128 us: 9.90/10.89] [< 256 us: 8.91/4.16] [< 512 us: 5.94/4.55] [< 1024 us: 4.35/6.14] [< 2048 us: 5.15/7.92] [< 4096 us: 2.18/8.71] [< 8192 us: 0.20/34.05] [< 16384 us: 45.33/0.00] [< 32768 us: 2.97/0.00]
CPU Average frequency as fraction of nominal: 61.54% (800.01 Mhz)

CPU 1 duty cycles/s: active/idle [< 16 us: 5.94/4.55] [< 32 us: 5.74/4.35] [< 64 us: 7.52/4.55] [< 128 us: 3.76/6.14] [< 256 us: 5.15/7.32] [< 512 us: 4.16/7.32] [< 1024 us: 2.77/7.32] [< 2048 us: 2.57/6.73] [< 4096 us: 2.57/6.73] [< 8192 us: 0.79/40.38] [< 16384 us: 49.49/0.00] [< 32768 us: 2.77/0.00]
CPU Average frequency as fraction of nominal: 61.54% (800.05 Mhz)

Core 1 C-state residency: 83.98% (C3: 0.00% C6: 0.00% C7: 83.98% )

CPU 2 duty cycles/s: active/idle [< 16 us: 21.38/14.05] [< 32 us: 6.33/12.27] [< 64 us: 10.49/17.81] [< 128 us: 10.49/12.87] [< 256 us: 7.72/5.74] [< 512 us: 7.13/5.34] [< 1024 us: 2.97/3.56] [< 2048 us: 4.55/7.52] [< 4096 us: 1.98/10.10] [< 8192 us: 2.18/36.62] [< 16384 us: 44.34/0.20] [< 32768 us: 2.77/0.00]
CPU Average frequency as fraction of nominal: 61.54% (800.01 Mhz)

CPU 3 duty cycles/s: active/idle [< 16 us: 5.15/6.14] [< 32 us: 6.93/3.17] [< 64 us: 11.88/6.53] [< 128 us: 6.53/7.32] [< 256 us: 5.34/6.53] [< 512 us: 3.17/6.93] [< 1024 us: 2.18/8.71] [< 2048 us: 2.18/7.32] [< 4096 us: 3.76/8.71] [< 8192 us: 0.99/39.98] [< 16384 us: 48.50/0.00] [< 32768 us: 2.18/0.00]
CPU Average frequency as fraction of nominal: 61.54% (800.04 Mhz)

**** GPU usage ****

GPU 0 name IntelIG
GPU 0 C-state residency: 99.90% (0.03%, 99.87%)
GPU 0 P-state residency: 1000MHz: 0.00%, 950MHz: 0.00%, 900MHz: 0.00%, 850MHz: 0.00%, 800MHz: 0.00%, 750MHz: 0.00%, 700MHz: 0.00%, 650MHz: 0.00%, 600MHz: 0.00%, 550MHz: 0.00%, 500MHz: 0.00%, 450MHz: 0.00%, 400MHz: 0.00%, 350MHz: 0.00%, 300MHz: 0.00%, 250MHz: 0.00%, 200MHz: 0.10%
GPU 0 average active frequency as fraction of nominal (200.00Mhz): 100.00% (200.00Mhz)
GPU 0 GPU Busy 0.10%
GPU 0 FB Test Case 0
GPU 0 GT2 on 0.00%
GPU 0 GT3 on 100.00%


**** SMC sensors ****

CPU Thermal level: 255
IO Thermal level: 50
Fan: 6500 rpm
CPU die temperature: 33.24 C


*** Sampled system activity (Mon Jan 23 12:52:40 2017 +0100) (5034.13ms elapsed) ***

*** Running tasks ***

Name ID CPU ms/s User% Deadlines (<2 ms, 2-5 ms) Wakeups (Intr, Pkg idle)
kernel_task 0 2391.13 0.00 7.75 0.00 140.84 61.38
mds 70 191.60 55.96 0.00 0.00 24.83 11.72
mds_stores 179 150.87 79.45 0.00 0.00 11.92 6.56
assistantd 376 52.24 46.42 0.00 0.00 5.76 3.97
IMDMessageServicesAgent 469 28.32 69.76 0.00 0.00 1.41 1.13
launchd 1 4.93 52.29 0.00 0.00 0.20 0.20
Terminal 425 4.63 82.30 0.00 0.00 0.79 0.40
WindowServer 173 1.20 52.51 0.00 0.20 0.40 0.00
powermetrics 468 3.21 23.36 0.00 0.00 0.20 0.00
configd 57 3.13 34.87 0.00 0.00 0.60 0.20
IMDPersistenceAgent 359 2.94 80.03 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
SystemUIServer 305 2.55 77.07 0.00 0.00 0.99 0.20
apsd 89 2.30 61.62 0.00 0.00 0.79 0.20
DEAD_TASKS -1 2.27 38.19 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
cfprefsd 301 3.15 50.12 0.00 0.00 0.60 0.00
fseventsd 51 1.67 35.33 0.00 0.00 4.77 0.00
displaypolicyd 98 2.46 16.01 0.00 0.00 4.97 1.79
trustd 309 1.49 89.58 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.20
powerd 58 1.40 37.36 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.00
notifyd 110 1.17 31.15 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
opendirectoryd 86 1.12 48.48 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.00
cfprefsd 117 1.31 51.18 0.00 0.00 0.60 0.00
mdworker 440 69.24 76.45 0.00 0.00 12.91 3.97
ionodecache 84 0.85 29.55 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
com.apple.CodeSigningHelper 208 0.77 42.04 0.00 0.00 1.19 0.79
cloudphotosd 324 1.49 64.88 0.00 0.00 0.79 0.20
UserEventAgent 297 0.59 14.99 0.00 0.00 3.97 0.60
imagent 354 0.60 43.85 0.00 0.00 0.60 0.20
lsd 176 1.13 89.36 0.00 0.00 0.20 0.20
symptomsd 224 0.96 67.80 0.00 0.00 0.60 0.40
logd 63 0.53 55.08 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
securityd 93 0.51 47.72 0.00 0.00 0.60 0.00
syslogd 46 0.69 50.55 0.00 0.00 1.19 0.40
UserEventAgent 47 0.59 73.51 0.00 0.00 0.60 0.20
locationd 238 0.64 57.30 0.00 0.00 0.60 0.20
Finder 306 0.31 22.33 0.00 0.00 0.79 0.20
coreduetd 80 0.60 73.72 0.00 0.00 0.20 0.20
DuetHeuristic-BM 97 0.25 21.28 0.00 0.00 1.19 0.99
Spotlight 315 0.26 50.90 0.00 0.00 0.79 0.40
accountsd 335 0.14 20.22 0.00 0.00 1.39 0.99
CalendarAgent 365 0.22 35.07 0.00 0.00 0.79 0.40
mDNSResponder 174 0.25 23.20 0.00 0.00 0.79 0.00
sharingd 351 0.25 37.09 0.00 0.00 1.19 0.60
IMRemoteURLConnectionAgent 422 0.17 35.62 0.00 0.00 0.99 0.60
ContactsAccountsService 363 0.12 16.52 0.00 0.00 1.39 0.79
captiveagent 243 0.21 19.12 0.00 0.00 0.20 0.00
hidd 108 0.20 43.25 0.00 0.00 0.20 0.00
airportd 67 0.20 29.24 0.00 0.00 0.99 0.40
passd 398 0.26 57.31 0.00 0.00 0.79 0.20
com.apple.AmbientDisplayAgent 182 0.18 33.04 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
CommCenter 302 0.13 33.87 0.00 0.00 0.60 0.20
usernoted 342 0.13 36.63 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.20
CalNCService 372 0.24 30.55 0.00 0.00 0.99 0.20
appleeventsd 56 0.32 21.97 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.00
tccd 353 0.13 32.22 0.00 0.00 0.79 0.40
backupd 180 0.19 35.08 0.00 0.00 0.20 0.20
uninstalld 49 0.05 6.50 0.00 0.00 0.60 0.40
com.apple.audio.DriverHelper 211 0.26 19.13 0.00 0.00 0.20 0.00
secd 308 0.05 18.31 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.40
talagent 304 0.07 8.20 0.00 0.00 0.60 0.20
Siri 385 0.07 8.53 0.00 0.00 0.60 0.20
WiFiAgent 396 0.13 44.29 0.00 0.00 0.20 0.20
identityservicesd 349 0.07 7.62 0.00 0.00 0.60 0.20
CoreLocationAgent 421 0.10 38.56 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.00
distnoted 299 0.03 9.82 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.40
sharedfilelistd 343 0.10 26.51 0.00 0.00 0.60 0.20
com.apple.geod 364 0.10 32.64 0.00 0.00 0.60 0.20
syncdefaultsd 348 0.09 31.94 0.00 0.00 0.60 0.20
ntpd 192 0.09 28.01 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
com.apple.geod 289 0.09 37.32 0.00 0.00 0.60 0.20
nsurlsessiond 191 0.16 24.16 0.00 0.00 0.60 0.00
secinitd 336 0.09 37.68 0.00 0.00 0.60 0.20
mDNSResponderHelper 175 0.08 38.23 0.00 0.00 0.99 0.00
akd 410 0.07 38.11 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.20
useractivityd 345 0.08 49.02 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
secinitd 290 0.07 36.51 0.00 0.00 0.60 0.20
com.apple.iTunesLibraryService 466 0.12 43.76 0.00 0.00 0.60 0.00
kextd 50 0.06 40.94 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.00
fmfd 411 0.04 7.95 0.00 0.00 0.79 0.20
nbagent 394 0.11 40.74 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.00
blued 99 0.05 37.17 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
MTLCompilerService 406 0.02 18.25 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.20
mdworker 458 0.02 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.20 0.20
storeaccountd 367 0.09 35.82 0.00 0.00 0.60 0.00
trustd 146 0.05 48.72 0.00 0.00 0.20 0.00
authd 142 0.08 37.84 0.00 0.00 0.79 0.00
WiFiProxy 375 0.07 34.37 0.00 0.00 0.60 0.00
CVMServer 185 0.04 5.84 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.00
AppleIDAuthAgent 388 0.07 37.01 0.00 0.00 0.60 0.00
secinitd 219 0.06 36.35 0.00 0.00 0.60 0.00
parsecd 360 0.06 42.76 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.00
sharedfilelistd 272 0.06 38.35 0.00 0.00 0.60 0.00
cloudd 412 0.06 21.86 0.00 0.00 0.79 0.00
launchservicesd 91 0.06 38.74 0.00 0.00 0.60 0.00
com.apple.iCloudHelper 413 0.06 44.67 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.00
nsurlsessiond 368 0.05 42.01 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.00
WiFiVelocityAgent 415 0.04 5.36 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.00
com.apple.GSSCred 293 0.01 25.60 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
Dock 303 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.20 0.00
mdworker 462 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.20 0.00
ALL_TASKS -2 2933.28 11.85 7.75 0.20 258.83 105.68


**** Battery and backlight usage ****

Backlight level: 905 (range 0-1024)
Keyboard Backlight level: 0


**** Network activity ****

out: 1.39 packets/s, 86.01 bytes/s
in: 1.39 packets/s, 172.62 bytes/s


**** Disk activity ****

read: 19.07 ops/s 145.64 KBytes/s
write: 3.58 ops/s 21.97 KBytes/s

**** Interrupt distribution ****

CPU 0:
Vector 0x46(SMC): 2.98 interrupts/sec
Vector 0x49(MacBookAir6,2): 13.51 interrupts/sec
Vector 0x72(IGPU): 29.20 interrupts/sec
Vector 0x78(ARPT): 5.36 interrupts/sec
Vector 0x7e(SSD0): 22.25 interrupts/sec
Vector 0xdd(TMR): 272.14 interrupts/sec
Vector 0xde(IPI): 428.08 interrupts/sec
CPU 1:
Vector 0xdd(TMR): 221.49 interrupts/sec
Vector 0xde(IPI): 372.06 interrupts/sec
CPU 2:
Vector 0xdd(TMR): 258.04 interrupts/sec
Vector 0xde(IPI): 497.80 interrupts/sec
CPU 3:
Vector 0xdd(TMR): 210.17 interrupts/sec
Vector 0xde(IPI): 373.65 interrupts/sec



**** Processor usage ****

Intel energy model derived package power (CPUs+GT+SA): 1.56W

LLC flushed residency: 77.5%

System Average frequency as fraction of nominal: 61.54% (800.02 Mhz)
Package 0 C-state residency: 78.46% (C2: 25.34% C3: 3.43% C6: 0.00% C7: 49.68% C8: 0.00% C9: 0.00% C10: 0.00% )

Core 0 C-state residency: 82.01% (C3: 0.00% C6: 0.00% C7: 82.01% )

CPU 0 duty cycles/s: active/idle [< 16 us: 14.30/11.52] [< 32 us: 6.16/16.29] [< 64 us: 16.88/15.49] [< 128 us: 13.11/14.70] [< 256 us: 14.30/13.51] [< 512 us: 13.71/12.32] [< 1024 us: 6.75/12.71] [< 2048 us: 3.38/7.75] [< 4096 us: 3.18/9.14] [< 8192 us: 0.40/31.19] [< 16384 us: 45.29/0.00] [< 32768 us: 3.97/0.00]
CPU Average frequency as fraction of nominal: 61.54% (800.01 Mhz)

CPU 1 duty cycles/s: active/idle [< 16 us: 12.32/5.16] [< 32 us: 4.77/3.18] [< 64 us: 5.16/7.15] [< 128 us: 3.58/8.14] [< 256 us: 8.54/8.54] [< 512 us: 5.56/10.13] [< 1024 us: 2.78/12.32] [< 2048 us: 2.38/6.16] [< 4096 us: 3.77/8.14] [< 8192 us: 2.38/34.56] [< 16384 us: 46.48/0.00] [< 32768 us: 2.98/0.00]
CPU Average frequency as fraction of nominal: 61.54% (800.04 Mhz)

Core 1 C-state residency: 81.44% (C3: 0.02% C6: 0.00% C7: 81.42% )

CPU 2 duty cycles/s: active/idle [< 16 us: 27.41/12.71] [< 32 us: 10.93/16.49] [< 64 us: 12.32/19.67] [< 128 us: 13.11/20.46] [< 256 us: 9.34/14.30] [< 512 us: 9.14/10.53] [< 1024 us: 9.14/11.32] [< 2048 us: 5.76/6.75] [< 4096 us: 3.58/10.13] [< 8192 us: 2.19/32.18] [< 16384 us: 45.09/0.20] [< 32768 us: 3.58/0.00]
CPU Average frequency as fraction of nominal: 61.54% (800.01 Mhz)

CPU 3 duty cycles/s: active/idle [< 16 us: 8.14/4.57] [< 32 us: 3.97/5.76] [< 64 us: 6.16/5.96] [< 128 us: 4.77/7.55] [< 256 us: 6.36/9.34] [< 512 us: 5.96/9.93] [< 1024 us: 4.37/9.53] [< 2048 us: 3.97/5.16] [< 4096 us: 3.77/7.55] [< 8192 us: 2.19/35.76] [< 16384 us: 44.50/0.00] [< 32768 us: 3.97/0.00]
CPU Average frequency as fraction of nominal: 61.54% (800.03 Mhz)

**** GPU usage ****

GPU 0 name IntelIG
GPU 0 C-state residency: 99.91% (0.05%, 99.85%)
GPU 0 P-state residency: 1000MHz: 0.00%, 950MHz: 0.00%, 900MHz: 0.00%, 850MHz: 0.00%, 800MHz: 0.00%, 750MHz: 0.00%, 700MHz: 0.00%, 650MHz: 0.00%, 600MHz: 0.00%, 550MHz: 0.00%, 500MHz: 0.00%, 450MHz: 0.00%, 400MHz: 0.00%, 350MHz: 0.00%, 300MHz: 0.00%, 250MHz: 0.00%, 200MHz: 0.09%
GPU 0 average active frequency as fraction of nominal (200.00Mhz): 100.00% (200.00Mhz)
GPU 0 GPU Busy 0.09%
GPU 0 FB Test Case 0
GPU 0 GT2 on 0.00%
GPU 0 GT3 on 100.00%


**** SMC sensors ****

CPU Thermal level: 255
IO Thermal level: 50
Fan: 6501 rpm
CPU die temperature: 33.16 C
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Zadnja poruka: pred 3 dana, 9 sati
  • Gjuroo: Ipak se kreće. aiPhone. [link]
  • dpasaric: Ja sam danas naručivao što se još može od lagera s QWERTY, pa ćemo vidjeti što ću dobiti! :)
  • zvone: Zvao istyle da interveniraju da ostavw qwerty posto ionako prave tipkovnice posebno za ht trziste. Krajnje su nezainteresirani. Ali kazu da se ljudi jako žale.
  • Bertone: Sused, ni to tema za vikalicu, trebao si to pitati u temi o budućnosti čovječanstva ;)
  • cariblanco: [link]
  • cariblanco: Vidi komentare ispod ovog teksta !!
  • cariblanco: Zadatak za smayoo...zašto je nestalo struje
  • dpasaric: Vidim da će stare QWERTY tipkovnice odjednom dobiti na cijeni! :)
  • zvone: Nervira me jer mijenjaju bez veze.
  • smayoo: Ali zašto je to takav stress? Ako su potpuno ukinuli stari layout, posložiš si kako ti paše pomoću Ukelele
  • smayoo: QWERTZ je uvijek i oduvijek hrvatski standard tipkovnice, a ovaj apple QWERTY hibrid je izmišljotina iz nekadašnjeg "zastupnika" PEL Velebit.
  • IgorD: Prvo su prebacili @ pa sad stalno stišćem ™ a od zadnjeg sistema ni € nije gdje je bio
  • IgorD: Ja na iOSu ionako uvijek imam EN tipkovnicu, samo kad mi treba đ prebacim na hr. Frka je što su i s Macovima krenule qwertz tipkovnice
  • zvone: Ako se vrati u postavkama automatski se vraca na qwertz. Iritantno do bola.
  • zvone: Kupio novu tipkovnicu za m4 ipad pro. Hrvatska je ali vise nije qwerty nego qwertz. Razocaran.
  • drlovric: Ja nemam dres Osijeka :)
  • VanjusOS: ako ćeš obući dres Osijeka, ja ti nabavim kartu bez problema
  • VanjusOS: drlovric, nema više karata za Hajduka
  • drlovric: Ako ima neko iz Osijeka molim da mi se privatno javi. Trebam uslugu. Hvala puno :)
  • JOHN: Počivao u miru Božjem :(
  • Borisone: U oglasniku mini Pro ako nekog zanima.
  • Gjuroo: Počivao u miru.
  • smayoo: Ode nam Papa Franjo, na Uskrsni ponedjeljak. Počinak je zaslužio, i više od toga. Neka se Crkvi primi barem nešto od njegovog nasljeđa.
  • VanjusOS: Sretan Uskrs!
  • Damirst: Srstan Uskrs!
  • smayoo: Sretan Uskrs svima! :)
  • Tomek: Sretan Uskrs !!
  • ping: Sretan Uskrs
  • dpasaric: Mira i ljubavi! :)
  • Gjuroo: Sretan Uskrs!
  • Yonkis: Sretan Uskrs svima!
  • Zdravac: Sretan Uskrs!
  • drpongrac23: Sretan Uskrs svima koji slave!
  • Tomek: sad dok se ja ponovo uštekam u MACOS sustav, imat ću pitanja pa ću biti malo dosadniji :D
  • Tomek: Hvala svima... Kakav je stroj, računam s njime barem 10 godina...
  • dpasaric: Welcome back! :)
  • smayoo: Eeeej, Tomek! :)
  • Zdravac: Tomek, dobrodošao nazad! Nek te dobro i dugo služi! :)
  • Tomek: Eto nakon dugo godina, ponovo na Macu... Pozdrav svima
  • Borisone: Rekao političar i otišao krkati s generalima dok je vojska na paštetama i prekuhanim jajima.
  • Junuz: ko nehrani svoju vojsku hraniće tuđu
  • Yonkis: Apple Maps kamera naprtnjača: [link]
  • m@xym: ...nikakvu vojnu naobrazbu.
  • m@xym: Za dva mjeseca možeš naučiti rukovati pješačkim naoružanjem (od rastavljanja, sastavljana i čišćenja, do toga kako ga otkočiti, zakočiti, napuniti, sve do pucanja). Čovjek koji nema nikakvu vojnu naobrazbu, je glineni golub u slučaju rata, osoba koja je dva mjeseca nešto učila, i naučila, svakako nije. Zamisli koliko bi tek žrtava bilo da nitko od ljudi sa kojima si bio nije imao
  • Maxxy: Mi imamo malu aktivnu podobnu vojsku. A za 2 mjeseca će samo naučiti biti lijepa meta na ratištu. Proveo sam u ratu malo manje od 5 godina, i sve što ću još reći na ovu temu je da smo imali više žrtava od neznanja (igranje sa raznim zanimljivim spravicama i puškama) nego od neprijatelja! Srećom u ono vrijeme nije bilo dronova!
  • drlovric: Ja sam bio 10-11 mjeseci cini mi se. Pola vremena smo aktivno nesto ucili, pola smo ribali hodnike, kupili lisce i smarali se po vojarni. Ja sam bio 11107 (prepisali JNA VES oznaku) vojna policija, antiterosticke aktivnosti.
  • drlovric: Nekakav ustroj sa 3 mjeseca temeljne obuke da vojnik zna koirsititi pusku i kretati se unutar svoje formacije je bolje nego nista. I mozda neki modus za dodatna 2-3 mjeseca specijalisticke obuke tko to zeli. Kao neki vid nadgradnje znanja.
  • m@xym: Mi to (malu sposobnu aktivnu vojsku) već imamo. Ovih 2 mjeseca je sasvim dovoljno da mladići nauče osnove baratanja oružjem.
  • Maxxy: Vojnirok od 2 mjeseca je sprdnja. Ili lupite godinu dana, ili financirajte malu sposobnu aktivnu vojsku. Ovako se samo bacaju novci bez ikakve koristi
  • Yonkis: A što ne otvorite temu nego ovdje tipkate :)

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